Leaving Imoen

Idioteque · Post by **Idioteque** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:31 pm

I was just wondering how the story progresses if you leave the dungeon without Imoen in your party or even better what happens if she gets killed in the dungeon?

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:42 pm

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I believe once she is rescued from Spellhold, her fate doesn't matter much. I've only actually taken her once and the other times dumped her as soon as I acquired her.

Leaving her behind or her death has never impacted the progress of the game for me. There might be some quests and other tidbits you'll miss out on by not having around, but her presence isn't required.

Necrotaur · Post by **Necrotaur** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:10 pm

Just an interesting tidbit..

If you try to leave Imoen in the Spellhold dungeon and Keldorn is in your party, he threatens to leave so that she can go with you. It doesn't matter much, he only walks a few feet away then becomes blued, so you can talk to him and recruit him again.

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:40 pm

If you mean the first dungeon (highlite to read)

Imoen can't die. Anytime her hit points get low enough, she freaks out and leaves your party. Either way, leave her, or try to get her killed, and she just shows up once you exit Irenicus dungeon. She'll make her way out in either instance, and the storyline will progress from there.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:42 pm

oops, sorry idioteque, didn't think you meant irenicus dungeon. BS is right, she can't die in the beginning dungeon and if you let her go from the party, you'll see her in the promenade.

Idioteque · Post by **Idioteque** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:55 pm

Thanks Bloodstalker thats what I meant. I was too lazy to take out BG1 cd and put in BG2 cd to find out. I was wondering how the programmers handled that possibility hehe

Hesperus · Post by **Hesperus** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:04 pm

regarding the tangent about spellhold (little spoiler):

On spellhold:
Even Korgan is unhappy with the PC and gives him/her some flak (less than Keldorn though) if you don't rescue her.

On the actual point:
Immy's behavior in the 1st dungeon is due to the belt, right? Though if you ditch her, she understandably complains. I can't help from feeling guilty about that one...

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:46 pm

Even if you kill Imoen in Irenicus's dungeon (it can be done if you remove her belt, with Disintegrate, for instance), she will still show up in the cut-scene in Waukeen's Promenade. The show must go on. The programmers didn't want her getting killed, and they tried to allow for lots of contigencies and did it in a way that preserves as much continuity as possible.

For what it's worth, several of the NPCs offer to leave the party to make room for Imoen if you tell her she's on her own. It doesn't make much sense to go all the way to Spellhold and then not rescue her. Again, the programmers just wanted to preserve as much continuity as possible even if players aren't concerned about Imoen's well-being.

Necrotaur · Post by **Necrotaur** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 12:42 am

Do NPC's who are left behind find their way back to the mainland?

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:05 am

if you kill imoen...that defines that you are evil, and if you are evil you are probably going to spellhold to kill jon/untap your power, therefore you wouldnt care about imoen so its ok if she dies.......right?

Coot · Post by **Coot** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 4:31 am

Originally posted by Necrotaur
Do NPC's who are left behind find their way back to the mainland?

IIRC, they won't get back to the mainland if you leave them in Spellhold. If you remove them once you've escaped the asylum, they'll find their way back just fine.

IHateUsernames · Post by **IHateUsernames** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:38 am

Originally posted by VonDondu
Even if you kill Imoen in Irenicus's dungeon (it can be done if you remove her belt, with Disintegrate, for instance), she will still show up in the cut-scene in Waukeen's Promenade.

How do you remove the belt. it says she is unable to get it of.

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:37 am

Originally posted by IHateUsernames
How do you remove the belt. it says she is unable to get it of.

You can't remove it inside the game. You have to use a saved game editor like ShadowKeeper.

My memory is pretty foggy about this issue at the moment, so I might have made a mistake in my previous post. I did some experiments with Imoen nearly three years ago, and I haven't tried to kill her since then. (It's not something I want to do.) I remember that the belt protects her from spells that could kill her, such as Petrification, Disintegration, etc. There's also something that keeps her from going below 1 hit point (if she reaches 1 hit point, she says "I'm not dying here" and she runs away and you meet her again in Waukeen's Promenade), but I can't remember whether the belt is what keeps her from going below 1 hit point or whether it's an Effect the designers gave her (which protects her even if you remove the belt, which is the way I remember it, although I might be wrong). Now that I think about it, if the belt is the only thing that keeps her from going below 1 hit point, then if you take the belt off her, you don't have to do anything special to kill her (as long as she goes from, say, 5 hit points directly to 0 hit points or less without hitting exactly 1 hit point, which will make her run away). The reason why I suggested Disintegration is because I once had her cast it on herself by reading a scroll when she wasn't wearing the belt, and it killed her. Otherwise, I don't remember many details. Maybe she doesn't have ANY protection if you remove her belt. But I will leave the experimenting to the people who want to kill her.

Idioteque · Post by **Idioteque** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 6:37 pm

It is, however, possible to kill Yoshimo is it not? How does that affect the progression of the story once you hed towards Spellhold?

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:06 am

If Yoshimo dies before you get to Spellhold, or if you don't keep him in your party, then he doesn't go to Spellhold with you. His presence isn't required. It's that simple. (If you want a spoiler, and I don't recommend it, then read the spoiler below. But don't say I didn't warn you.) By contrast, if Imoen died before you made it out of Irenicus's dungeon, the story wouldn't make sense (how could she be kidnapped?). So that's why the game designers thought of a way to protect Imoen but no one else.

SPOILER (highlight to read)
If Yoshimo doesn't go to Spellhold with you, someone who isn't in your party puts sleeping pills in your soup. I hope that's all you need to know.

Idioteque · Post by **Idioteque** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:41 am

Thank you all wise all knowing Elminster... I mean Vondondu.

Idioteque · Post by **Idioteque** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:30 pm

Anyone ever try killing off every NPC and seeing how the game progresses?

Zelgadis · Post by **Zelgadis** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:15 pm

Originally posted by Idioteque
Anyone ever try killing off every NPC and seeing how the game progresses?

I've never tried it or heard of anyone who has, but I dont think it would prevent you from finishing the game. You won't have much gold, though, and way to many items, if you kill all the merchants and such

Idioteque · Post by **Idioteque** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:31 pm

I didn't mean killing merchants and such I meant killing everyone who can join your party like Minsc, Jaheira, Jan....

Ron_Lugge · Post by **Ron_Lugge** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:23 am

Originally posted by Zelgadis
I've never tried it or heard of anyone who has, but I dont think it would prevent you from finishing the game.

If you tried to kill aran linvail / bodhi (chapter 3), I bet it would