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Post by Drev »

Hullo

I was wondering if a romance (right now with Jaheira) is cancelled, bugged or anything-ed when finishing SoA with romance on the way (the "oh so blatant" dialogues) but not reaching the romance climax (errr :) ) and then proceeding with ToB (the, er, platinum edition, not the 'normal' game with 'normal' datadisc).

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No, you're on the right track. Like the other romances, it's destined to reach its fulfillment in ToB.

Though why any female character would want to have a relationship with Anomen rather than feed him to an illithid is beyond me.
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Thanks!

So, the characters in SoA itself (should I have ToB not installed) do not get to 'finish' their romance?
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Yes, you will be asked to wait for a while. There will be quests to prove your love, in SoA.
And they keep going on in ToB.

And I agree with Fable. Why not feeding Anomen romancer to the Ilithids? (IMHO it will be better to feed him to the beholders, it will be sooo painful... hehehe) Download Solaufein or other male mods and hit the road, you know.
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Heh, now I feel the same way about Aerie's romance. How can any guy possibly enjoy all that whining? Attacking Aerie was CN Anomen's shining moment... made me swoon and say "My hero!" :)
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If you check the backgrounds of all the NPCs you can add to your party, she's had it roughest. Even Viconia experienced at least the continued social reinforcement of her culture--but Aerie as a child was stripped of everything. Her family. Her physical self. Her privacy. Her pride. And this continued through much of her early adult life.

But Aerie is a survivor. Despite her fragility, physical and mental, she's actually learned not one, but two main professions. Her first steps into the world are understandably tentative, but she's taking them--a remarkable feat. By comparison to what she's suffered and what the momentous courage she's showing now, Anomen is nothing more than a spoiled rich kid whose whining demands should be met by a couple of years' service on guard detail in the Baldur's Gate outback. ;)
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Aerie may deserve my sympathy, but she certainly goes about getting it the wrong way. Speaking as a woman, she has a lot of characteristics that I loathe in other women (huge emphasis is placed upon her appearance, she whines about the way things are and in general is looking for the big, strong man).

I find it a lot easier to sympathize with Anomen whose boasting is really more to try and convince himself that he's a worthwhile individual than to prove anything to the PC.
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Why not just kill'em both? :D

Anomen irritates me from the moment he has his first dialogue with the protagonist. I promptly assure him of my courage by removing his intestines and playing jump rope with them.

But Aerie....now there is the true image of pity. It breaks my heart to hear how she suffers having to live without her wings. I can't stand to see her in so much pain, so I put her out of her misery.

Then again, I tend to play with a rather loose sword arm :D
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Post by Drev »

Thanks for everything, but just another quick question - so... let's say I moved to ToB with romance halfway - like not getting all the dialogues I read about/people told me about with Jaheira and my char... is it OK and will the romance continue fluently in ToB or should I get back to SoA and wait... wait... wait...?
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Drat & Dagnabbit!

There was me thinking that J. didn't love me just coz of the game-change. But really, she doesn't love me in ToB coz, er, she doesn't love me...
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Aeries annoying...I just summon her then leave her in my liar... :p
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Originally posted by Sononara
Aeries annoying...I just summon her then leave her in my liar... :p


Well, if you're going to lie to her, of course she's going to be annoying about it. ;)

In lieu of any BG3 with the same main character--which just isn't possible, since his/her adventures have pretty much reached a crescendo by the end of BG2--I would have liked to see a new PC in a story placed some 30-150 years on. It might have been interesting to catch references to Keldorn as a myth, or to encounter Korgan at a more advanced stage of life. And Aerie? I'd expect her to have become an extremely powerful yet insightful figure, the kind who commands by suggestion. Other paths are possible, of course (and yes, I am disregarding the neat, final discussion of characters that concludes BG2), but she shows signs through ToB of moving through her personal problems and into a new self-comprehension. Contrast this with, say, Edwin, who's as immature at the end of the game as he is at its start. ;)
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I'd love to see some of those ideas told using the NeverWinter nights toolset but as yet none have surfaced. I'm kind of surprised no modules have surfaced with any of the characters from the BG series.

I'm hoping to see a story told via the toolset based on the endling of the Viconia romance if you remain at her side, involving Lolth and Viconia herself at the end but in a good way.

I like happy endings ;)
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I left aeire and anomen standing next to eachother in the pocket plane turned to stone with about 40 traps surrounding them... if they ever break free of the stone they'll die the death of a thousand pointy things...
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Originally posted by fable

In lieu of any BG3 with the same main character--which just isn't possible, since his/her adventures have pretty much reached a crescendo by the end of BG2--I would have liked to see a new PC in a story placed some 30-150 years on. It might have been interesting to catch references to Keldorn as a myth, or to encounter Korgan at a more advanced stage of life. And Aerie? I'd expect her to have become an extremely powerful yet insightful figure, the kind who commands by suggestion. Other paths are possible, of course (and yes, I am disregarding the neat, final discussion of characters that concludes BG2), but she shows signs through ToB of moving through her personal problems and into a new self-comprehension. Contrast this with, say, Edwin, who's as immature at the end of the game as he is at its start. ;)


Such is the power of the BG historyline that every possible party member could generate another history... And that could envolve the Child of Bhaal becoming a god and the other party members having their own parties or becoming leaders, shaping the realms, cause now, even after the pain of losing the child of bhaal to his destiny, they are creatures of immense power.

That will be a mod worth paying and working on...
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Originally posted by Luis Antonio
Such is the power of the BG historyline that every possible party member could generate another history... And that could envolve the Child of Bhaal becoming a god and the other party members having their own parties or becoming leaders, shaping the realms, cause now, even after the pain of losing the child of bhaal to his destiny, they are creatures of immense power.

That will be a mod worth paying and working on...


Thing is, @Luis Antonio, I can't see your god PC becoming part of this. You're simply too powerful at the end of things; your involvement would mess up combat. Secondly, and more to the point, your PC's story has been told. It's finished, and with a strong sense of finality. One of the gifts of a good storyteller is to know when a favorite figure should be allowed to drift away, active only henceforth in the imaginations of their readers. You never want a main character to overstay their welcome.

But yes, you're right that every party member could potentially generate another history. My point was that, with a new PC, you could encounter your old party members not as main characters, but in cameo or secondary roles, enriching an entirely new fictional arc for those that have played through BG2. IMO, it would be artificial to put a high level character such as Jaheira in your party toward the start of a projected BG3; and it would cause logical problems to put her in your party later in the game. (If she's spent 50 years growing since the Slayer and your new party has just spent 2 years together, gametime, you'd expect her to remain a lot more developed than any party could achieve.) But a druid in your party might receive notice of a summons, which leads back to Jaheira as questgiver. Similarly, if your PC's a paladin, it's just possible the briefly visiting head of your Order might be Keldorn. Or you just might run into Edwin, who needs your help in returning to his proper form and power.

Mind, I wouldn't want to see more than two or three of these "old cast members" in any new game, of any sort. Too many, and there's a feeling of stagnation, as though you're really just playing a retread of a previous game. But judiciously handled, the idea of a new character encountering people whom the PC recognizes as old friends can be a great deal of fun, IMO. :)
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Well, everything could be worked out, I think...

But don't you think it will be cool, Fable, to have the Child as a 'questgiver', or a godly help to his friends?

A game with the party members will be nice, but the Child of Bhall again as the main player will mess it all up for sure, and some of the NPC's could be questgivers, and should be.

But it will be cool to have a 'Return to Rashemen' with Minsc, with boo becoming a Giant Space Ramster of some sort, and 'butt kicking evil with godly help' cause if the Child becomes a god it will be certain to assume that his party members will become his or her favored and gain some powers - some, not every.

Aerie, for example, could recover her wings, Keldorn will become a new Order leader or something... Maybe in a solo Mod, designed for each char that could be worked out... Like, The godly sequel...

But that is just my opinion.

And your opinion about the 50-150 years later with the NPC's as world leaders is nice as well, could be worked as IWD, with a bunch of mercenaries or trainee warriors being hired to rid the lands of evil sources that have spread through the land...

Just too much options for my guts, but there is time for every purpose under the sun, as I say.
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Post by Elemental ZOOT »

hiI started a new game from TOB and i was wondering if i can romance with vicionia-he's human nectromancer. Did i have 2 romance her in bg2 for order to romance her now?
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Normally yes, but there is a CLAU console command that will enable the romance for ToB. I actually asked the same question some time ago, if you search under my name you should find it and the excellent info provided by Sabre.

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Post by Elemental ZOOT »

Originally posted by Krimmy
Normally yes, but there is a CLAU console command that will enable the romance for ToB. I actually asked the same question some time ago, if you search under my name you should find it and the excellent info provided by Sabre.

Thanks again Sabre!


ummm could u gimme the link plz or which forum its posted in
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