Kuroisan (spoilers for Tactics mod)

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:13 am

Hello guys,

I'm not a very good Tactics player, but this time I saw something strange.

After I grabbed the Celestial Fury, I was atacked by the acid ninja (nastier enemy, IMO). He is searching for the blade, blah blah blah, and I've saved the game for tactic tuning against him. First I've charged all I've got, then I've protected myself from acid, then I've sent one fighter each time with mages destroying his protection spells. But when I tried a hit and run tactic (with ctrl j help) he disappeared and I cant find him.

That way I cant have his sword...

Is this normal or just cause I've been on the Temple district, or cause I'm just blind to the truth that he is hiding somewhere else???

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Wed May 12, 2004 10:18 am

He's sneaky.

Kuroisan will despawn if left unengaged for too long. He will, however, return later to try again. He's got a pretty cool script, but he can be killed without unreasonable cheese - of course, figuring out cheesy ways to kill him is a lot of fun itself.

Kaitsuburi · Post by **Kaitsuburi** » Wed May 12, 2004 11:57 am

For some reason, I got him without a scratch in my last game. Strategy:

1) Invisibility potions for everyone, frequently drunk;
2) Thief dispelling his illusion;
3) PfMW (several) on one character (preferably fighter-mage);
4) Protection from Acid (not vital);
5) Globe of Invulnerability (nice, not vital);
6) Hasted fighters to quickly smack him when his PfMW runs out (timing is key!).

I actually didn't run like crazy this time, but he didn't cast True Sight for some reason...

-kaitsuburi

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:42 pm

Re: He's sneaky.

Originally posted by nephtu
Kuroisan will despawn if left unengaged for too long. He will, however, return later to try again. He's got a pretty cool script, but he can be killed without unreasonable cheese - of course, figuring out cheesy ways to kill him [b]is a lot of fun itself. [/b]

And what a script... a challenge to defeat his cheese...

I wonder if Sarevok or perhaps some other fighters could have similar scripts...

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Sat May 15, 2004 1:25 am

one mage...

protection from magic weapons
fireshield red or blue
spell immunity conjuration...

that's all you need, and best of all, you don't have to do a thing, just stand there...

Kaitsuburi · Post by **Kaitsuburi** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:35 am

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly

fireshield red or blue

Red and blue to be even nastier :cool:

-kaitsuburi

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Mon May 17, 2004 1:11 am

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly
one mage...

protection from magic weapons
fireshield red or blue
spell immunity conjuration...

that's all you need, and best of all, you don't have to do a thing, just stand there...

Brilliant tactic User...but wouldn't that only work if you're using the pre-ToB cloak of mirroring?

Kaitsuburi · Post by **Kaitsuburi** » Mon May 17, 2004 4:01 am

I think Kuroisan is scripted to be really hard for fighters to kill him. But he is a kensai-mage/fighter-mage, right? So in theory can cast true-sight, remove magic, breach and the like (though I haven't seen him do it).

Effectively, conjuration immunity will prevent the acid damage, PfMW will stop his katana and he will die from fire/ice shield damage if he keeps smacking. Great tactic indeed, taking into accound his melee-oriented character.

I wonder why the cloak of mirroring is needed? Will it reflect Acid arrows back at Kuroisan? :confused:

-kaitsuburi

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Mon May 17, 2004 5:23 am

Sorry, I meant that Kuro himself is wearing (an undroppable) one. If its the pre ToB version, it acts like a permanent spell turning whereas the post ToB one (with the swirly spell trap animation) acts as a spell deflector, making the wearer immune to all spells. The original one wouldn't defend against fire shield whereas the newer one would. I think.

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Mon May 17, 2004 5:48 am

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly
one mage...

protection from magic weapons
fireshield red or blue
spell immunity conjuration...

that's all you need, and best of all, you don't have to do a thing, just stand there...

And in a non-magic user party, what would you do???

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Mon May 17, 2004 5:58 am

Protection from acid scrolls (the green ones) and non magical weapons. This battle can run and run...selective invisibility helps too as Kuro never seems to use divination.

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Mon May 17, 2004 9:57 am

It is just me or he is pretty much the worst single opponent on tactics?

Cause, our friend Maevar has lots of thieves by his side, Irenicus has lots of invulnerabilities, Bodhi is undead and fight sided by lots of minions, Kanggy is cheesable and undead, the troll on Nalia's keep has a bit more punch than average, but nothing exceptional, and the rest are all groups...

Somthing · Post by **Somthing** » Mon May 17, 2004 4:41 pm

The Ritual Dragon seems to be much worse.

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Tue May 18, 2004 1:47 am

Improved Faldorn I've yet to beat without fullfat extra mature cheese being involved.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Tue May 18, 2004 3:49 am

Originally posted by kopywrite
Improved Faldorn I've yet to beat without fullfat extra mature cheese being involved.

yep...

that one be nasty...but i did it using lots of cheese and 9th level cernd...

ease of use mod, shapeshifter ubering, and rod of resurrection...champion strength, or else you won't hit faldorn at all...greater bearwere summons...

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Tue May 18, 2004 5:30 am

Yeah,

I gotta hand it to Faldorn, then. But, I dont know, I always thought of her as easy beating... even on tactics...

hm...

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Tue May 18, 2004 5:42 am

Originally posted by Luis Antonio
Yeah,

I gotta hand it to Faldorn, then. But, I dont know, I always thought of her as easy beating... even on tactics...

Whaa..? How?

Couldn't even hurt her without outside help and she regenerates faster than a wolfwere with health insurance.

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Wed May 19, 2004 2:25 pm

Originally posted by kopywrite
Whaa..? How?

Couldn't even hurt her without outside help and she regenerates faster than a wolfwere with health insurance.

If I'm not mistaken, she has no divination spells. Improved invis via scroll or some of the other spells... she cant target you... werewolf form... kick it up her guts!!!

- Edit - not imp invis, it is... mislead or something I think... you keep invisible and rock her quick.

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Thu May 20, 2004 1:28 am

Originally posted by Luis Antonio
If I'm not mistaken, she has no divination spells. Improved invis via scroll or some of the other spells... she cant target you... werewolf form... kick it up her guts!!!

- Edit - not imp invis, it is... mislead or something I think... you keep invisible and rock her quick.

Yes...this is imrpoved Faldorn right? The one who starts shapeshifted into a leopard and with a shed-load of buffs? Casts nature's beauty and creeping doom as an opener? And how does a druid cast mislead...please don't say 'potion swap'.

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:25 am

Yes, potion swap... no spell disrupting when you use scrolls, right? after you get invis, that hasta la vista. I'm gonna face her ASAP just to confirm that for you...

hehehe...

two slices of druid comming...