I can't get my thieves to backstab!!!!!!

Hobbes82 · Post by **Hobbes82** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 10:12 pm

I use hid in shadows and sneak behind an enemy and hit them and nothing happens like you guys talking about triple damage and stuff. Plz help. Also do you have to powerup a backstab? Any responce is appreciated.

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Wed Jun 06, 2001 12:41 am

On the character sheet, can you see the backstab multiplier? Also, do you use a thief weapon? Are you perhaps backstabbing a mage with stoneskin on? Are your thief failing his Hide in Shadows check before backstabbing?

Position your party in the shadows and let your thief try on your other party members, preferably those with high AC - if the thief doesn't hit, there will be no damage, of course.

PaulDenton · Post by **PaulDenton** » Wed Jun 06, 2001 8:23 am

That's why I like Stalkers better. Thieves have insane multiplier, but their rogue THACO is too high. Stalkers do only triple damage, but they can have ++ in weapons and they have warrior THACO.

Kevin Dorner · Post by **Kevin Dorner** » Wed Jun 06, 2001 9:20 am

Originally posted by Paul Denton:
<STRONG>That's why I like Stalkers better. Thieves have insane multiplier, but their rogue THACO is too high. Stalkers do only triple damage, but they can have ++ in weapons and they have warrior THACO.</STRONG>

Actually the table that was in the Stalker kit overview is wrong...their backstab is better than what was listed and I believe it can get up to 4x within the 2,950,000 XP cap. Once their little hiccup of losing the ability if they die and are resurrected is fixed, they are pretty good.

I fixed the table in the English Language Game Text Update.

[ 06-06-2001: Message edited by: Kevin Dorner ]

PaulDenton · Post by **PaulDenton** » Wed Jun 06, 2001 9:25 am

Originally posted by Kevin Dorner:
<STRONG>Actually the table that was in the Stalker kit overview is wrong...their backstab is better than what was listed and I believe it can get up to 4x within the 2,950,000 XP cap.
</STRONG>

Yep, it should be
1-8: x2
9-16: x3
17: x4

I won't care about double damage, but triple damage with STR 18/93, ++ in Katana and Celestial Fury is substantial.

Not to mention Ranger's low THACO and Stalker's great stealth.

Yeah, that resurrected Stalker problem makes Valygar unhappy. I was thinking WTF? He had main hand THACO of 0 and he missed his backstab? Thanks for that fix.

[ 06-06-2001: Message edited by: Paul Denton ]