mind shield with 23 wisdom

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:48 am

I've got a dwarven fighter/cleric who I've taken through BG1, BG2, and most of ToB. When I got to the machine of Lum the Mad, his wisdom went up to 23 and at that time, he acquired a 'mind shield'. No items or spells giving pro charm or confusion, he just got mind shield. Wondering if anyone else has gotten this and tested exactly what you're protected from.

ImmortalFlayer · Post by **ImmortalFlayer** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:23 pm

didn't think this was implemented in the game...

that's something new... i think i remember reading either from the baldur's gate manual or ad&d book that high wisdom score gives you protection from certain spells but i didn't think it was implemented in baldur's gate 2. i don't remember exactly what immunities are offered but it SHOULD be along the illusion spell line up, and specific mind affecting spells (feeblemind, confusion, fear, etc.) if it was correctly implemented, your character should be able to see through or dispel at least lvl 2 illusion spells (invisibility comes to mind in particular) with a score of 23. hope this helps.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:33 pm

thanks for the reply. it helps a bit. I haven't played much with that group since his wisdom score jumped to 23. Yeah, I'm thinking along the same lines: illusion, confusion, feeblemind, charm perhaps. If it is a permanent universal defense against enchantment/charm, that's quite the powerful ability bonus!

Arturcic · Post by **Arturcic** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:34 pm

Other specialities

I wonder: if reaching Wisdom 23 gives u sort of a mental shield, and by reaching 20 (or something more) Con gives u Regeneration, are there other "special" properties for reaching very high values for the other stats?
I think it's interesting.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:40 pm

Well, high constitution is being chatted about in another thread here on page 1. I think the other four abilities are straightforward. Strength doesn't seem likely to have extra other worldly bonuses because a high strength is easy to obtain (belts). Intelligence is the same way (potions of genius). Charisma is easy to get to 25 so special bonuses seem unlikely. Might find some special bonus with dex, as draw upon holy might is the only way I know of to get a dex over 22. Perhaps wisdom carries such a nice bonus because it is difficult to get the ability score to 23.

Arturcic · Post by **Arturcic** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:32 pm

Well, perhaps in BG II it's easy to get 25 Strenght, but not in a normal PnP game or in some other D&D based game. I was wondering if there are these special "feats" (abusing of 3rd ed. language) in the rules. Perhaps they're really implemented.

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:10 pm

A thought.

I don't know if it's just the Potion of Genious, but I remember Dynaheir in BG1 getting Rigid Thinking by drinking one of those (not cursed, IOW) and having 22 Int.

Malignus · Post by **Malignus** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:06 pm

Well, you do get some "special abilites" for having extremely high intelligence... Kinda.
19+ will give you 95-99% of success at writing spells, as well as an infinite amount of spells that you can write in your spellbook.
Oh, and high wisdom does not render you immune to illusions, only enchantment/charm spells.
Hmm... I just looked it all up in the AD&D 2nd ed PH, and it seems that INTELLIGENCE offers immunity to illusions.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:55 pm

thx malignus, don't have my D&D books anymore. Now, last question, do you think the mind shield will protect from a psionic blast?

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:03 pm

its been discussed before..
it actually lowers your resistance to psi blast, dominate, etc...it also disappears after one day, or a week, can't remember which...

yep, its a booby prize.

wisdom is used for only 2 purposes...better choices for lim wish and wish, and extra spell slots for cleric/druids.

ImmortalFlayer · Post by **ImmortalFlayer** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:08 pm

sorry my bad

regarding the illusion immunity: i must have got it mixed up then. anyways i'm fairly certain that it (immunity) scales up with the ability score (so for example, int of 20 will protect you from lvl 1 illusions, 21 from lvl 2, and so on) still, it's too bad that high intelligence score won't protect you from illusion in baldur's gate 2.

about being immune to mind flayers (for all practical purposes), i'm only guessing but that would be just too good.

Luther · Post by **Luther** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:20 pm

I think User is right. Flanders, did you notice the mind shield appeared when your wisdom went up? I think you probably got it from the deck of many things battle of the previous level. One of the "prizes" is a mind shield. It should wear off in a week. As User states the Mindshield is actually detrimental.

sdwillie · Post by **sdwillie** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:54 pm

No

dammit flanders, like always, the answer to your question is NO.
NO NO NO
Do you always have to ask these questions? Do you dress yourself?

btw-you didn't say anything about whether or not you wanted to syslink R63 this weekend, or just run thru some of the stuff you've picked up.

FireLighter · Post by **FireLighter** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:59 pm

[QUOTE=sdwillie]dammit flanders, like always, the answer to your question is NO.
NO NO NO
Do you always have to ask these questions? Do you dress yourself?

btw-you didn't say anything about whether or not you wanted to syslink R63 this weekend, or just run thru some of the stuff you've picked up.[/QUOTE]
I sense some pretty hot flames...

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:42 pm

SDWillie, please familiarize yourself with GameBanshee's forum rules, in particular this one:

#1 - Flaming, humiliating, ridiculing, or belittling other members will not be tolerated. If you have an issue with another member, take it to private messages or email."

So if you don't have anything constructive to add to a conversation here, don't add anything.

Something · Post by **Something** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:11 pm

I could be wrong but I got the impression they are friends and he was just giving him grief

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:13 pm

It's already been reported to all mods, and I've been PM'd with complaints about that post, too. Whatever the relationship, it gives the wrong impression here, on the board.

Let's get back to the subject. And if anybody has anything else to say about this, feel free to PM (private message) me.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:48 pm

you can let sdwillie off the hook. yes, I know him and he's just having fun, even it appears inappropriate. He wouldn't do that anyone else here. 'nuff said.

Now, regarding the mind shield, I must say I haven't played with the f/c much since receiving that bonus but I can say it didn't come from the deck of many things. It came from raising my widsom 1 with the machine of Lum the Mad, which is essentially the same thing as star from DoMT. I wasn't aware there was a 'mind shield' bonus from a card in the deck.

Either way, it hasn't been tested much. Perhaps I'll CLUA in some alu fiends and mind flayers just to see what happens.

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:49 pm

The mind shield that comes from the Deck of Many Things comes from a card that you can only draw while facing the demon with the deck in Watcher's Keep. I think you can only draw it in the second round.