skill points

Heidrek · Post by **Heidrek** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:58 pm

Does anyone know how many skill points each class is supposed to get per level as a base? I have aHuman Sorceror that gets 3 points per level with 8 intelligence and a human Bard with 12 Int. that gets 4 per level. I thiught each class got 4 per level modified for Int. and Human getting 1 extra per level.

By rights my bard should get 6 points per level! This makes planning your stats a bit of a pain. also, only your base Int. counts so if you have items that boost Int. when you level up they don't count

Anyone know what the base amounts are?

ishuman · Post by **ishuman** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:59 pm

This is from another website posted by one of the developers before the game was released. Its labeled as subject to change. For example, the first part of the post is a list of skills that definitely changed before the game was released. BTW, does anyone know what they mean by "non-canonical"?

QUOTE:
Barbarian: (4 + Int modifier) x4
Bard: (4 + Int modifier) x4
Cleric: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Druid: (4 + Int modifier) x4
Fighter: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Monk: (4 + Int modifier) x4
Paladin: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Ranger: (6 + Int modifier) x4*
Rogue: (8 + Int modifier) x4
Sorcerer: (4 + Int modifier) x4*
Wizard: (2 + Int modifier) x 4

Every level thereafter, they receive the base amount (X + Int modifier). For example, Invae Cathimon begins play as a Ranger. Her Intelligence is 14, resulting in a bonus of +2. She begins with 32 skill points ([6+2]x4). At 2nd level, she takes a level of Fighter. For that level, she receives an additional 4 (2+2) skill points.
Characters can only have a number of ranks in their skills equal to their class level +3. A 5th level character could only have 8 ranks in Hide, for instance.
Humans gain 4 extra skill points at 1st level and an additional 1 point every level. Several other races have small bonuses to the listed skills. Elves gain +2 to Search, Gnomes gain +2 to Lore: Alchemy, Half-Elves gain +1 to Search, and Halflings gain +2 to Move Silently (no, they don’t get the size bonus to Hide because they don’t suffer any the penalties of Small size).
We are still working out the details of this system. For instance, what happens when a player creates a Human Rogue with an 18 Intelligence. Stuff like that. We will have skill resolution details later on.

* Non-canonical

silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:55 am

[QUOTE=ishuman]We are still working out the details of this system. For instance, what happens when a player creates a Human Rogue with an 18 Intelligence. Stuff like that. We will have skill resolution details later on. [/QUOTE]

This one should get:

[8 (base) + 4 (INT)] x 4 + 2 (human) = 50

just another 3 points to add:

1. in IWD2 INT increasing items effect skill-points!

2. you always get at least 1 SP per level even for a fighter with 3 INT means a human fighter with INT 3 gets 2 SP per level !

3. regarding the multiplier on the 1st level - you should always consider to take the class with highest base SP as 1st one for MC PCs!

.

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:33 am

I found these informations, bit different from Ishuman:

Classes get the following number of skill points at 1st level.

Barbarian: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Bard: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Cleric: (1 + Int modifier) x4
Druid: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Fighter: (1 + Int modifier) x4
Monk: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Paladin: (1 + Int modifier) x4
Ranger: (2 + Int modifier) x4*
Rogue: (4 + Int modifier) x4
Sorcerer: (1 + Int modifier) x4*
Wizard: (1 + Int modifier) x4

Every level thereafter, they receive the base amount (X + Int modifier). For example, Invae Cathimon begins play as a Ranger. Her Intelligence is 14, resulting in a bonus of +2. She begins with 16 skill points ([2+2]x4). At 2nd level, she takes a level of Fighter. For that level, she receives an additional 3 (1+2) skill points.

silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:52 am

.

@lompo:

these are definetly incorrect - at least for D&D 3.5 CRPGs (IWD2, TOEE) !

.

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:59 am

[QUOTE=silverdragon72].

@lompo:

these are definetly incorrect - at least for D&D 3.5 CRPGs (IWD2, TOEE) !

.[/QUOTE]

I just copied the datas above from "the Locus Inn" site, unfortunatly the official site for IWD2 is not active anymore, but I remember that where matching with the one reported.

neocool00 · Post by **neocool00** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:19 am

From Planet Baldurs Gate Website:

Classes get the following number of skill points at 1st level:

Barbarian: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Bard: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Cleric: (1 + Int modifier) x4
Druid: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Fighter: (1 + Int modifier) x4
Monk: (2 + Int modifier) x4
Paladin: (1 + Int modifier) x4
Ranger: (2 + Int modifier) x4 (Non-canonical)
Rogue: (4 + Int modifier) x4
Sorcerer: (1 + Int modifier) x4 (Non-canonical)
Wizard: (1 + Int modifier) x4

Every level thereafter, they receive the base amount (X + Int modifier). For example, a Ranger with Intelligence 14 has a bonus of +2. He begins with 16 skill points ([2+2]x4). At 2nd level, he takes a level of Fighter. For that level, he receives an additional 4 skill points. Characters can only have a number of ranks in their skills equal to their class level +3. A 5th level character could only have 8 ranks in Hide, for instance.

Racial Bonuses:

Humans gain 2 extra skill points at 1st level and an additional 1 point every level.
Dwarves and Elves gain +2 to Search
Gnomes gain +2 to Alchemy
Half-Elves gain +1 to Search
Halflings gain +2 to Move Silently (but don't get any size bonus to Hide because they don't suffer any of the penalties of small size).

silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:30 am

.

AFAIK the sheet "ishuman" posted is right - but will check it asap

.

Heidrek · Post by **Heidrek** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:03 pm

I think neocool00 has it right for the most part. Only thing is that my Human Sorceror with 8 int I think gets 3 skill points per level.

I don't think items that boost your Int. give you skill point bonuses on level up (though I hope they do!). I remember testing this with the Xvimian Fang dagger.

A little annoying, but at least it makes Int. a valuable attribute for non all classes.

ishuman · Post by **ishuman** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:50 pm

BTW, my info came from doing a google search on "skill point base IWD2". It came from http://noctalis.com/dis/icewind/faq294.shtml.

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:53 am

It seems that the data I found are the same found by Neocoo.

To Heidrek: you should check, because just yesterday my sorc. had a level up and with 16 int. he got 4 skill points.
Maybe is something related to some mod you have installed, I think I remember of a mod that raise the amount of skill points you get.

Heidrek · Post by **Heidrek** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:10 pm

Well, the Bard and Fighter numbers are right. I've got a Human Fighter/Bard with 12 Int. and he get 4 S.P when he levels up as Bard and 3 for Fighter. I'll have a look at the Sorc. in my other party and do a few comparisions.

Any idea why the amount of S.P. is so restricted in IWD2?