Kensai/Thief possibility?

Rail · Post by **Rail** » Mon Dec 11, 2000 3:59 am

Just out of curiosity, has anyone dual-classed a kensai to a thief? Just the thought of their backstab makes me drool, with their bonuses and kai ability. It seems like it would make for some fun strategies.

rumagent · Post by **rumagent** » Mon Dec 11, 2000 11:20 am

It is very effective. I hardly ever used the kai ability, and yet, I almost always did around 100 damage... Just don't backtab Lavok - I learned that the hard way

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Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Mon Dec 11, 2000 11:26 am

The Kensai/thief is enormously effective in my opinion, since you both get the needed theif and fighters stronghold as well as a solid fighter. The Kai ability is not that impressive when using the thieves weapons, save the katana of course, but is quite welcome. I have only one thing to say about this character. Get the two rings of invisibility and the ring of air control!

Sometimes it's good to be a coward. ;-P

Rail · Post by **Rail** » Mon Dec 11, 2000 11:39 pm

It seems since the Kensai's strength are a quick strike offense, the thief's backstab ability would complement this well. Too bad you can't backstab all monsters. Having no ranged weapons to fall back on as a thief would make this an interesting character to use. It seems a couple of invis, rings and the boots of speed would be a must. Anything else strongly recommended? Can thieves use mage scrolls?

MordorMan · Post by **MordorMan** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 12:08 pm

Originally posted by rumagent:
... Just don't backtab Lavok - I learned that the hard way

Why not? My K/T backstabbed him. No problem. He dropped to the floor and was weak as a lamb instantaniously.

MM

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 12:23 pm

Yeah, and add to that that the thieves can get the "use any item" ability, and a kensai/thief will be VERY strong.

jonschneider · Post by **jonschneider** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:18 pm

i actually dualed a thief to a kensai....had to use shadow keeper to do it. used the thief for for stealth

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:24 pm

Assasin/Kensai ima*Drool*gine the posibilitys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! X 7!!!!

jonschneider · Post by **jonschneider** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:52 pm

i think you can only use one kit at a time craig....but you're right. assassin/kensai would be unstoppable

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:54 pm

Having no ranged weapons to fall back on as a thief would make this an interesting character to use.

No missile weapons. You can still throw daggers/axes/darts/the Dwarven Thrower (if you're a Dwarf).

If you haven't installed the Baldurdash patches, Kensai can also use the Bow of Avoreen and several crossbows.

Lykwid · Post by **Lykwid** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:56 pm

I was considering trying a barbarian/theif since the barbs cant use heavy armor anyways, any thoughts on this?

-Lykwid

MordorMan · Post by **MordorMan** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 2:13 pm

I think a barabrian/thief also has potential, you can specialise in many weapons which is nice but your backstab will be less powerful. Also, some types of armour restrict thieving abilities (see table in the manual). The high movement rate and the many hitpoints are great if you dual class to thief. Also, as opposed to a Kensai/Thief, you will be able use missile weapons. In short, a barbarian/thief will be more of an all-rounder.

MM

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 2:20 pm

You do know barbarian thief isnt valid though?

MordorMan · Post by **MordorMan** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 2:29 pm

Originally posted by sigurd:
You do know barbarian thief isnt valid though?

No, I for one didn't know this. Why? Let me guess.. because it isn't a valid multi-class combination because barbarian is not a fighter kit.

Ah well, I hope Lykwid will try the K/T instead.

Greetings,

MM

Lykwid · Post by **Lykwid** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:50 pm

Shoot i didnt know that it wasnt valid.

-Lykwid

Zyx · Post by **Zyx** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:58 pm

The only problem about K/T is armor

... he won't be able to wear any armor... i guess

Vehemence · Post by **Vehemence** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 7:38 pm

Originally posted by MordorMan:
No, I for one didn't know this. Why? Let me guess.. because it isn't a valid multi-class combination because barbarian is not a fighter kit.

Ah well, I hope Lykwid will try the K/T instead.

Greetings,

MM

It isn't a valid option since Barbarians, much like Sorcerers, Paladins and Bards cannot dual class or multiclass.

Vehemence · Post by **Vehemence** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 7:41 pm

Originally posted by sigurd:
Yeah, and add to that that the thieves can get the "use any item" ability, and a kensai/thief will be VERY strong.

Don't think it quite works like that. If it did, the second you dualed your kensai to a thief, he would have been able to use armour and bows. Since this didn't happen, I would be willing to say that the kensai's predetermined inability to use armour and ranged weapons would override the possibility of your kensai/thief (with 'use any item' ability) being able to wear bracers, armour or use missile weapons.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 1:36 am

Same probably goes for Cleric/Thieves.

Would've been fun, though, to see priests with Carsomyr, Celestial Fury or the Gesen Bow