Thiefs in SoA & ToB

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 6:05 am

I know this is asked a 1000 times before, but why are there so few thiefs in SoA, was hoping for a desent swashbuckler in ToB, but you only have Jan to keep as you're thief (imoen is gone, and yoshimo well (*slight spoler that every body knows*) betrays you.)
n TotSC i had thief to many if i wanted, and Jan realy anoys me.
Why can't nalia be a better thief, then would choose her.

]RiPPeR[ · Post by **]RiPPeR[** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 6:16 am

imoen had 125% in find traps and 135% ion open locks with the ring of dangersense , ring of lockpicks and master harper amulet
you can also dual class sarevok to a thief since his dexterity is 17, if you dual him on level 18 he will still be able to reach level 35 as a thief

koz-ivan · Post by **koz-ivan** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 6:30 am

what no thiefs?

there are 3 or 4, yoshi, jan, imoen, nalia
how many clerics, 3 ano, vic + aerie
rangers, 2
paladins, 1
druids, 2 jaheria + cernd, one multi the other a rather limited shapeshifter.
ftrs, 3-4 korgan, mazzy, jaheria, saravok
mages, 4
bard, 1 (+ blade is'nt a great party bard)

you have more variety at thief than most classes, w/ some having 0 representation, monk, barbarian, sorceror.

there is always the multi option or play a thief yourself. (my choice)

plus by making yoshimo a more palatable choice at thief, leads him to being in more parties...

[ 07-31-2001: Message edited by: koz-ivan ]

Fezek · Post by **Fezek** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 6:35 am

Originally posted by ]RiPPeR[:
imoen had 125% in find traps and 135% ion open locks with the ring of dangersense , ring of lockpicks and master harper amulet
you can also dual class sarevok to a thief since his dexterity is 17, if you dual him on level 18 he will still be able to reach level 35 as a thief

Sarevok backstabbing...that is a scary thought.

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 6:39 am

You could always use ShadowKeeper to take Nalia up a few levels as a thief. Or make her a pure thief altogether. It's not the same but still...

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 7:02 am

Koz-Ivan's right. Thieves are extremely well-represented in SOA/ToB. And when you consider the potions and rings available to aid thieving, that profession really has it made.

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 7:02 am

Koz-Ivan's right. Thieves are extremely well-represented in SOA/ToB. And when you consider the potions and rings available to aid thieving, that profession really has it made.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 7:49 am

Originally posted by koz-ivan:
by making yoshimo a more palatable choice at thief, leads him to being in more parties...

Exactly. What good is making a nice sub-plot if everyone will pass it up?

Laurelei · Post by **Laurelei** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 4:16 pm

Hehe, it seemed like there were a jillion thieves in BG1, maybe that's why it seems like so few choices in BG2, comparatively speaking.

incandescent one · Post by **incandescent one** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 7:04 am

Sarevok makes on rockin thief. I mean I fragged balthazar with one backstab, and had little monk pieces fly all over the place.

He got a critical on a backstab (using the +4 katana) and did like 140 damage, then I also had the deathbringer assault go off, and that was another 200 damage. Gibs for everyone !

Kekkonen · Post by **Kekkonen** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 8:53 am

Originally posted by koz-ivan:
what no thiefs?

there are 3 or 4, yoshi, jan, imoen, nalia

Let's not forget that Nalia is stuck at level 5 and Imoen at level 7 as a thief. In the SoA (and especially ToB) universe, a level 5-7 character probably wouldn't cut it as a barmaid.

Kekkonen · Post by **Kekkonen** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:17 am

Um, could you dual Valygar to a thief? He's got 18 dexterity and 17 strength, if I'm not mistaken.

Kekkonen · Post by **Kekkonen** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:18 am

Sorry for the double... dual-classing Valygar to a thief (if it's possible -- I don't have my manuals or the game at hand now) might create some redundancy, since he's already got some thief abilities as a stalker.

[ 08-01-2001: Message edited by: Kekkonen ]

koz-ivan · Post by **koz-ivan** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:23 am

rangers can only dual to clerics.

and from what i've heard a post tob stalker or archer cannot dual at all.

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:45 am

Originally posted by Laurelei:
Hehe, it seemed like there were a jillion thieves in BG1, maybe that's why it seems like so few choices in BG2, comparatively speaking.

Well, when you think about it, @Laurelei, there were quite a few representatives of several professions. I seem to recall at least 4 mages and 3 clerics. But the game wasn't anywhere near as well-balanced, IMO, as BG2, nor was the party interaction that BG2 has. I think balance issues and all those party NPC subplots determined the smaller number of NPCs who could join you, this time around.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 11:24 am

Originally posted by fable:
the game wasn't anywhere near as well-balanced, IMO, as BG2

That's right. 75% of the NPCs were obviously less useful than the other 25%. While in BG2 you can argue about Cernd's monopoly on single-classed Druids, in BG1 there were some very, very redundant cases. Compare either Skie or Alorra to Imoen, for example.