How did bhaal died?

Akareza · Post by **Akareza** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:17 pm

i have finished bg2-tob several times now but something struck me just recently.. in the story lines it mentions gods being foced to walk the land and bhaal saw his death on that time..however i didnt notice anything about who killed him or how he died. any one got any info regarding this?

Fenix · Post by **Fenix** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:30 pm

I'm unsure as to how he died, but, if I remember correctly, Mask and Cyric killed him..(read that ages ago, so I'm not sure).

Chanak · Post by **Chanak** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:08 am

It was the Time of Troubles, when gods were forced to walk Toril in physical form. Cyric slew Bhaal...and Mask was directly involved. Kelemvor slew Myrkul, himself taking that god's power.

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:17 am

There is a book in the game I believe somewhere n the series or maybe in Icewind dale or maybe in Forgotten Realms source books.
It says they fought on a bridge. Something about Oh the west/(or east side) of the bridge, denoting where Bhaal fell on the bridge.
Did you ever read the book of the dead three.
And the Gnome Tios, /"Tios be damned"/ he is a follower of Cyric

stramoski · Post by **stramoski** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:17 am

The Avatar Trilogy is the set you'd want to read for more info.

During the Time of Troubles, the gods walked the realms. Mask (god of thieves) took over an intelligent sword which Cyric (still mortal) happened to find. Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul all banned together to oppose the "overgod" Ao, and steal the Tablets of Fate, while a few humans: Kelemvor, Adon, Midnight, and Cyric sought to restore the world.

In a battle to that effect, Cyric plunged his sword into Bhaal.

Incidentally, Torm killed Bane, and Midnight killed Myrkul.

Kelemvor, Midnight (Mystra) and Cyric are all gods now... Adon is Midnight's high priest.

Raven_Song · Post by **Raven_Song** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:38 am

Kelemvor slew Myrkul, himself taking that god's power.

I think it was Midnight (Mystra) who slew Myrkul. When both she and Cyric ascended to godhood Cyric was granted the portfolio for Death. Kelemvor only assumed the mantle after a revolt in the City of Strife, which saw Cyric's lose the portfolio. (the exact circumstances are detailed in the novel The Prince of Lies)

It says they fought on a bridge. Something about Oh the west/(or east side) of the bridge, denoting where Bhaal fell on the bridge.

It was the Boareskyr Bridge in the Western Heartlands of Faerun - the original bridge was destroyed in the battle, Bhaal's blood poisoning the Winding Water running between Boareskyr Bridge and Trollclaw Ford.

And the Gnome Tios, /"Tios be damned"/ he is a follower of Cyric

Do you mean Tiax, the CE cleric/thief from the original Baldur's Gate game

Torm killed Bane

I believe Bane has now returned to the realms, further challenging Cyric's power.

TonyMontana1638 · Post by **TonyMontana1638** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:05 pm

Cyric slew Bhaal with an incredibly powerful sword that was later revealed to have been the Avatar of Mask. Eventually there was a huge race across Waterdeep to get the Tablets of Fate back to Helm and Lord Ao which resulted in Cyric and Midnight ascending to Godhood (and later Kelemvor).

Cyric inherited the portfolios of (I believe) Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul after Torm slew Bane outside of Tantras (Torm himself died but was returned to Godhood by Ao) and Myrkul was destroyed. I can't remember how he died exactly, I vaguely thought it was Bane himself who killed his ally but I may be wrong there. I also don't believe Mystra killed Myrkul because that would imply he died before Mystra was killed by Torm, which happened soon after the God's were cast out and I don't think there was enough time for her to accomplish such a task.

Midnight took over Mystra's portfolio (adopting her name and everything) after she was killed by Helm for trying to push her way back into the heavens to talk to Lord Ao.

Kelemvor eventually usurped Cyric as Lord of the Dead, how I can't remember.

Once again I'm a little rusty as I read these books long ago, but the exact info can be found in the Avatar Trilogy and the ensuing books concerning Cyric, Kel and Mystra (The Trial of Cyric, some others... was a trilogy I can't remember the name).

Raven_Song · Post by **Raven_Song** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:00 pm

Cyric inherited the portfolios of (I believe) Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul

Also he later acquired the portfolio of Leira the Lady of Mists and Illusion after he and Mask plotted her downfall, and I also beleive that he gained some of Masks portfolio (Intrigue) after Mask went mad after reading Cyric's book.

I vaguely thought it was Bane himself who killed his ally but I may be wrong there.

I'm pretty sure it was Midnight. Bane was killed in the novel Tantras Myrkul died in Waterdeep. Wikipedia suggests it was Mystra, but I believe it is referring to the NG Mystra (Midnight) as opposed to LN one who as you rightly point was slain earlier by Helm.

Kelemvor eventually usurped Cyric as Lord of the Dead, how I can't remember

.

Mystra, Ohgma, Torm and Mask conspired against Cyric after he attempted to write a false history of his ascension (the book had some bad mojo going on). Therefore the "good" gods arranged a revolt of the dead in the City of Strife. When Cyric lost control of his domain, and thus threatened the balance it was decided that he should lose his charge. As Kelevemor had been instrumental in Cyric's defeat he was offered the position.

TonyMontana1638 · Post by **TonyMontana1638** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:08 pm

[QUOTE=Raven_Song]Also he later acquired the portfolio of Leira the Lady of Mists and Illusion after he and Mask plotted her downfall, and I also beleive that he gained some of Masks portfolio (Intrigue) after Mask went mad after reading Cyric's book.

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I remember the Leira fiasco now, but I don't believe Cyric gained any of Mask's portfolio; I know Mask read the book, but Cyric just gained influence over Mask not actually part of his Godhood. influence

[QUOTE=Raven_Song]
I'm pretty sure it was Midnight. Bane was killed in the novel Tantras Myrkul died in Waterdeep. Wikipedia suggests it was Mystra, but I believe it is referring to the NG Mystra (Midnight) as opposed to LN one who as you rightly point was slain earlier by Helm.
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Ah, that makes sense and you may very well be right. I agree with ya.

[QUOTE=Raven_Song]
Mystra, Ohgma, Torm and Mask conspired against Cyric after he attempted to write a false history of his ascension (the book had some bad mojo going on). Therefore the "good" gods arranged a revolt of the dead in the City of Strife. When Cyric lost control of his domain, and thus threatened the balance it was decided that he should lose his charge. As Kelevemor had been instrumental in Cyric's defeat he was offered the position.[/QUOTE]

That too I also remember now; I bow to your superior grasp of Realms lore

. I had forgotten most of this stuff but it's funny how it comes back to you.

Raven_Song · Post by **Raven_Song** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:18 pm

but I don't believe Cyric gained any of Mask's portfolio; I know Mask read the book, but Cyric just gained influence over Mask not actually part of his Godhood. influence

Nope he did, Mask went from an Intermediate power to a Lesser power....

Mask's multilayered plots ultimately resulted in his reading of the Cyrinishad, a mistake that nearly destroyed him, cost him much of his divine power, and allowed Cyric to seize the portfolio of intrigue. (taken from http://www.nwncityofarabel.com/gods/mask.htm)

I bow to your superior grasp of Realms lore

It's about the only realms lore I actually know, I loved the Avatar trilogy and Prince of Lies when I was younger. I found the gods of the realms more interesting than most of its heroes. Although admittedly I haven't read anything new about them for years now.

TonyMontana1638 · Post by **TonyMontana1638** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:23 pm

[QUOTE=Raven_Song]Nope he did, Mask went from an Intermediate power to a Lesser power....

Mask's multilayered plots ultimately resulted in his reading of the Cyrinishad, a mistake that nearly destroyed him, cost him much of his divine power, and allowed Cyric to seize the portfolio of intrigue. (taken from http://www.nwncityofarabel.com/gods/mask.htm)
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You are, yet again, correct it seems friend. I too was a huge fan of this series, especially the Tantras book; I don't know why but thats been a favorite of mine for years.

Akareza · Post by **Akareza** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:07 pm

Interesting..

[QUOTE=stramoski]The Avatar Trilogy is the set you'd want to read for more info.

During the Time of Troubles, the gods walked the realms. Mask (god of thieves) took over an intelligent sword which Cyric (still mortal) happened to find. Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul all banned together to oppose the "overgod" Ao, and steal the Tablets of Fate, while a few humans: Kelemvor, Adon, Midnight, and Cyric sought to restore the world.

In a battle to that effect, Cyric plunged his sword into Bhaal.

Incidentally, Torm killed Bane, and Midnight killed Bhaal.

Kelemvor, Midnight (Mystra) and Cyric are all gods now... Adon is Midnight's high priest.[/QUOTE]

...good stuff

, where is this avatar trilogy book in game?

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:51 am

Is the trilogy in the game a novel or part of campaign source books?

Raven_Song · Post by **Raven_Song** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:34 am

Is the trilogy in the game a novel or part of campaign source books?

It's a series of novels, it's not in the game

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:38 pm

Spam removed. Please keep your remarks relevant to the thread question, and to BG2.