Combat Tactics (possible SPOILERS)

SVA · Post by **SVA** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:16 pm

Thank you Wrath, i'll see how long I can get with this. And don't worry, this is also my first time getting that long i V:TM - Bloodlines.

BTW: He is also pretty decent in Unarmed.

SVA · Post by **SVA** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:24 pm

WOOO!

It worked VERY good (Good = Dealt about a 100 damgae to the guy in the first blow), so I butchered the guy and went on.

Thank you Wrath!

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:08 pm

[QUOTE=SVA]Help please.

I hope i'm typing in the right thread.

I need help with the Grunfelch Bach fight. (Character: Gangrel, Great with melee, sucks with guns.)
So I wondered if anyone had any good tips?[/QUOTE]

with gangrel i tend to focus on all 3 disciplines and ignore things like melee and firearms a bit. fortitude seriously reduces damage taken, although this is the one i focus on the least due to my style of play. then if the bloodsucking bats with animalism or the wolf don't work, high level protean can pretty much take care of any of the bad guys, especially if used together with bloodbuff and fortitude (although remember that bloodbuff uses a lot of blood so make sure you have plenty on you if using it for longish periods).

edit: also with gangrel, i find using the autorenew disciplines option makes life a lot easier if you want to use fortitude or protean for longish periods at a time

SVA · Post by **SVA** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:36 am

I'll agree on that part mr_sir.

But I need help once again. I have just entered the Ming Must Die! Quest and is currently fighting Ming herself. Anyone has any good tips or strategies? (Still same Gangrel character).

Wrath · Post by **Wrath** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:55 am

Wrath

Hmm now that's a tought enemy! I had some trouble beating her, but it's nothing that a strong gangrel can't handle. But like I said before, I've never played a gangrel, and when I finished for the first time (and only), it was with a Brujah, with celerity. So I just ran around Ming, shooting with every gun I had (ps: I wasn't so good with guns too, but don't worry, if you have powerful shotguns like Jaegerspas or powerful machine guns like Lassiter Killmatic use them all).
I don't know what else you can do, since I didn't try melee atacks on her, and I think it's too dangerous to get too close. Anyway, use all you items (blood packs, elder vitaes) and all you bullets, because you'll have more time to buy more of them later. Also you may notice Ming will lose some tentacles during the fight, which shall become spawns of her. They may grow and become another 'ming monster', so you'll have to pay more attention and be more careful, aiming and atacking only Ming, and not the 'spawn'
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, since Ming is a big 'monster' use machine guns (don't worry if you only have Braddock 9mm), they are really helpful (aim down and push the trigger hard

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I wish I could more, but actually I can't

MalaksBane · Post by **MalaksBane** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:47 pm

Bach's an annoying wuss ... have high dodge and bashing soak and his bullets become a gentle tickling. Use strafe and available cover when approaching him, then bash or slice him.

Ming is one of the hardest enemies, for me. If you stay real close, she'll have trouble hurting you. Using the flamethrower once in while can be helpfull too. Use the chalice and bloodpacks to restore health and bloodpoints.

SVA · Post by **SVA** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:08 pm

Thnaks for all the great advice and good tactics. And yes, Ming is the hardest opponent (Also in my oppinion).
The Sheriff is prety easy once you get him to transform into that bat-thing.
I have now completed the game (Thanks Wrath!), and hate the ending!

The tactic I used: Use a mix of Fortitude and Protean (Remember to check that 'Auto Renew Disciplines', that will make things alot more easier) and when he teleports, run forward. Keep doing that until he transforms. Then one can begin worrying about the wolf-things outside and the soldiers, which actually shoots the Sheriff. If you're low on blood, kill the wolf-things and suck the soldiers dry. When you kill the bat, get ready for a complete excuse for an ending!

BTW: This only works of you play Gangrel, off course.

yrthwyndandfyre · Post by **yrthwyndandfyre** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:37 pm

Offing Ming (***SPOILER***)

[QUOTE=SVA]But I need help once again. I have just entered the Ming Must Die! Quest and is currently fighting Ming herself. Anyone has any good tips or strategies? (Still same Gangrel character).[/QUOTE]
Somebody else mentioned that if you go into the vortex in stealth mode to get to Ming in the end-game, she can't see you after the dialog is over. I tested the theory. I was at stealth 8 at the time, and I suspect that there is a stealth limit governing when that will work, but I have no specifics on that. I digress...

I just took out Ming with zero damage, and without firing a shot. As a Tremere.

I went into the vortex in stealth mode, and as predicted, she couldn't see I was there after the dialog. I snuck around behind her, crept up a bit, and put 150 rounds of flame-thrower into her. Then I figured, "what the heck, I'm Tremere!" So I finished her off with Thaumaturgy.

Here's where it gets weird. If your stealth is high enough, and you stay behind her, you can do pretty much anything to her with impunity, and Tremere can feed off her with blood strike. Interesting. I would blood-strike her to get my blood levels back to maximum, then Blood Boil her one time, then go back to blood strike, and so forth. She plainly knew something was happening to her, because she kept turning toward my player, so I would move behiind her again, but she only turned a few degrees each time, so it was a slam-dunk. Strike, strike, strike, Boil, strike, strike strike, and so forth. All too easy.

I mention that specifically, because if my Tremere can take her out with Thaumaturgy without a single point of damage, then I suspect other bloodlines could similarly exploit this to take her out with their particular strengths. It's just a question of finding out what works for which bloodline.

Jonus · Post by **Jonus** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:23 am

[QUOTE=yrthwyndandfyre]I just took out Ming with zero damage, and without firing a shot. As a Tremere.

I went into the vortex in stealth mode, and as predicted, she couldn't see I was there after the dialog. I snuck around behind her, crept up a bit, and put 150 rounds of flame-thrower into her. Then I figured, "what the heck, I'm Tremere!" So I finished her off with Thaumaturgy.

Here's where it gets weird. If your stealth is high enough, and you stay behind her, you can do pretty much anything to her with impunity, and Tremere can feed off her with blood strike. Interesting. I would blood-strike her to get my blood levels back to maximum, then Blood Boil her one time, then go back to blood strike, and so forth. She plainly knew something was happening to her, because she kept turning toward my player, so I would move behind her again, but she only turned a few degrees each time, so it was a slam-dunk. Strike, strike, strike, Boil, strike, strike strike, and so forth. All too easy.[/QUOTE]

Absolute brilliance. I so love Tremere!

Wrath · Post by **Wrath** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:42 am

[QUOTE=yrthwyndandfyre]
I just took out Ming with zero damage, and without firing a shot. As a Tremere.

I went into the vortex in stealth mode, and as predicted, she couldn't see I was there after the dialog. I snuck around behind her, crept up a bit, and put 150 rounds of flame-thrower into her. Then I figured, "what the heck, I'm Tremere!" So I finished her off with Thaumaturgy.

Here's where it gets weird. If your stealth is high enough, and you stay behind her, you can do pretty much anything to her with impunity, and Tremere can feed off her with blood strike. Interesting. I would blood-strike her to get my blood levels back to maximum, then Blood Boil her one time, then go back to blood strike, and so forth. She plainly knew something was happening to her, because she kept turning toward my player, so I would move behiind her again, but she only turned a few degrees each time, so it was a slam-dunk. Strike, strike, strike, Boil, strike, strike strike, and so forth. All too easy.

.[/QUOTE]

whow, now that's a good combat tatic!!

Gangrel Hound · Post by **Gangrel Hound** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:37 pm

***spoilers***

Gangrel Tactics:

Gangrels get an extra bit of strength, dex, and stamina from a frenzy, so this is how I played one. I got my humanity to 3(to 2 if you send Patty to the "Flesh-Eater"). Then I go into battle using discilplines and eating up my blood without replenishing(keep it at half or lower at all times). When you activate Protean and Fortitude, your blood will be used up. At this point, the first damage you take will set you into a Frenzy. Sit back and watch stuff die horribly. Warning! Occasionally you will die from this, but the idea of fighting at werewolf stats is just too tempting for me. The Tzmisce died super-quick from this strategy(a combination of lucky teleporting and Frenzy timing!!)

Toreador Tactics: A lot of people shun this clan because they appear weak, but this strategy makes them extremely effective in combat.

Spend exclusively in Celerity and Presence. You spent well in persuasion/seduction at creation right? Presence at Lvl 2 makes a Str 3 fighter a Str 1 fighter, etc. Example: The Briefcase mission in the parking garage: By then you can have a minimum of 3 in Celerity and Presence. You have auto renew disciplines on, turn on Presence and Celerity. This is what you do:
1) Do not stop-Speed is your friend here use it. Slash through the packs with the Fireaxe, use the last two(using feeding/meatshield method above) to replenish blood supply).
2) Use bloodpacks to stay out of Frenzy only(Frenzy can kill quickly here).
3) Take out the ballbat/briefcase wielders first(they're bashing damage doesn't hurt, but the downtime in celerity is devastating).
4) Get your enemies in crossfires(run through the middle of them and they will help you).
5)Go after the grouped foes first(The fireaxe will hit and interrupt them all).
6) When an enemy is interrupted, DO NOT continue on them, they can't damage you. Use celerity to interrupt most then go back and interrupt again, until they are finished off.

Single enemy strategy: Use celerity to Hit-and-Run. The three hit combo is your WORST enemy in Celerity against fast opponents, hit twice then dodge. You will find yourself getting hit a lot less this way.

Tremere Tactics:

I had an amazingly difficult time with the Warrens until I picked up this little trick.
Use Purge on the Headrunners. They ball up like dead spiders and are easy pickings standing still. They like to swarm you, and this is perfect for this discipline. The part where you are swarmed by lots(a lot of places like that) is optimum. After they ball up, concentrate on one and kill it, then re-Purge them.

Firearm Tactic: I had trouble using firearms until I picked up this trick.

Wait until the target is right on you(This works with melee fighters) then pull the trigger. The Shotguns and High-Caliber Weapons are to be used here. These weapons have a knockback effect. You get in maximum damage and they miss their attack. Rinse and Repeat.

With practice, you can do the interrupt on two or three opponents at once. This is NOT recommended on ranged fighters. This worked wonders in the Warrens with a Nossie.

There are more, but I want to see if I get any responses this late in the game.