Should I? (COULD HAVE POSSIBLE SPOILERS)

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:19 pm

Yes, but you can still reply to those posts in the edit. All you have to do is say

@member name to whoever the member is, double and triple posting isn't needed.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:34 pm

Are you trying to save space? :mischief:

Ok, then!

Rein · Post by **Rein** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:44 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:Oh, I just like computer games, dear! :laugh: I loved Morrowind to bits! But I played it (with Bloodmoon/Tribunal) so often that now I can't even look at it without shuddering, LOL!:laugh:

I have yet to reach that experience. lol :laugh: But if I keep playing the way I do, then I will soon enough. :laugh: (MAYBE)

Belthan wrote: Generally, I play a little (and I mean little) bit of just about every genre except sports sims. But every once in awhile, something just grabs hold and won't let go, and I burn hundreds and hundreds of hours on it, e.g. FPS: Doom II, Strategy: Civilization (and sequels), FRP: Temple of Elemental Evil (which might raise some eyebrows, but as an old-school p&p geek I thought it really captured the feel of the D&D experience). Until recently, nothing in the FPFRP category really caught me hook, line and sinker, but Oblivion changed that. Of course, I've never played Morrowind...

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Originally Posted by Rein
Belthan: YES..........YES..........and oh yeah.....YES!

...but apparently, I will!

When you do it will feel strange at first after playing Oblivion, but I asure you; Give it time, and you will be rewarded with one of the best games you've ever played.
Oh, and since I haven't played Oblivion and I'm not sure if it is as easy as a lot of people say, but if so, when you first play Morrowind save often. Actually save right after you are freed.

Mr. Arrow · Post by **Mr. Arrow** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:41 pm

k. sorry if this has been said. i kind of breezed through the posts.
I like oblivions graphics, combat system, the enviroment, and most of all the DB questline. In Morrowind i like everthing but graphics, combat system, the enviroment, and that there is no DB questline lol.
If they went through morrowind and fixed those things it would be so much better.
Hopefully ES5 will be a combination of these things.
but to answer the first question yes it is worth getting.
A big improvment though is fighting.
You could swing and swing at your enemy and never hit them. Then you hit them twice out of thirty strikes (this is if you aren't a combat gladiator type).
In oblivion you hit every strike YAY

(as long as they don't block it)
oblivion is...
breathtaking. To stand on a hill/mountain and to look down upon the vast landscape beneath you and you can just smell the trees and breath the fresh air.
oblivion is great. buy it.

Go Angel · Post by **Go Angel** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:51 am

I love both games! Sure, they're quite different, but they each have their own style and are both amasing to play. I was blown away by both.

The main problem is that I guess people have to make comparisons between the games. Why can't they be two different games? I certainly like them for different reasons. Ah well.

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:07 am

That's precisely the problem is the differences. Morrowind was an absoloutely FANTASTIC game, the best I've ever seen and not many can say they can top it.

Oblivion, it's like the people who made it said "Well let's experiment and see if we can't make it more fun," and look at all the controversy from experienced gamers.

Most RPG's are just that, fun. Graphics are all eye candy, gameplay is easy and predictable, but morrowind, that was different. Morrowind had that dull grey shade on every single thing in the game, it was muggy out all the time, there was hardly ever a "good looking" day outside.

A lot of the quests were very tedious and the main quests sounded boring, giving you that urge to have some fun of your own with the side quests. Which would you rather do? Dig up some archaeological Dwemer Puzzle box, or go steal some diamonds for Sugar Lips Habasi?

They also made the game not a dungeon crawl. Some of the fighters guild quests, bandits and rats, boring. But the mages guild quests, two entire quests were to collect mushrooms and flowers, just go out and collect some however you wish.

That's what made the game entertaining, it wasn't fun to begin with but you could make it fun, you controlled the world, but in oblivion, basically there's always a superior person, there's always a greater threat that you have to worry about, there's always an anticipated battle, and the main quest has the most eyecandy there is, and is the most disappointing in the end.

Dissipointing as in you basically say "Wait, that's it? That's all there was?"

I cannot wait for Elder Scrolls 4 Vvardenfell to come out, I'd really like to play morrowind on some of the oblivion features.

The only things I didn't like in morrowind was the combat system and the alchemy issues where you could combine ingredients even though you don't know that they do indeed combine. It's practically the only thing in oblivion I like, the alchemy system.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:49 am

Well... the Oblivion Alchemy system certainly makes you want to level up in it so you can get all the effects... but it isn't SENSIBLE! Now is it?

I mean, if you go out in RL and pick some herbs and mix 'em up, the resulting potion would contain ALL the effects the herbs contained (unless one efect neutralised another), whether you knew what they were or not. It makes no sense at all - even with all the equipment - to ONLY get 1 specific effect because that is the one you KNOW! Little illogicalities like that mildly annoy me. But not enough to take away the pleasure of the game.

As for eye-candy - yeah, Oblivion has a lot of it. But I MUCH prefer it to the dull grey scenery of Morrowind! Or the White scenery of Bloodmoon. Tribunal had a bit more colour, and so was a pleasanter place to play in.
And all those dull, grey, blockish, ugly buildings! Ugh!
Morrowind was always foggy, and in Oblivion it rainstorms a lot. In fact, each area of the Imperial City seems to have it's own micro-climate: it can be thunder and lightning in one area, bright sun in another, dull in another...

Anyway - gimme eye-candy! I like it! :laugh:

Someone else as superior - greater threat...

Well, it depends. If you think the MQ HAS to be done eventually, then yeah it does hang over you somewhat. But if you ignore it, then you can just join a guild - or not; just explore on your own - or not... You can get to be head of every Guild if you want... or run round killing everything in sight! (Never done that myself, but I know some people do!)

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:08 am

Well... the Oblivion Alchemy system certainly makes you want to level up in it so you can get all the effects... but it isn't SENSIBLE! Now is it? I mean, if you go out in RL and pick some herbs and mix 'em up, the resulting potion would contain ALL the effects the herbs contained (unless one efect neutralised another), whether you knew what they were or not. It makes no sense at all - even with all the equipment - to ONLY get 1 specific effect because that is the one you KNOW! Little illogicalities like that mildly annoy me. But not enough to take away the pleasure of the game.

Plausibility and realism are two different things, magic wouldn't happen normally either but it does in oblivion.

As for eye-candy - yeah, Oblivion has a lot of it. But I MUCH prefer it to the dull grey scenery of Morrowind! Or the White scenery of Bloodmoon. Tribunal had a bit more colour, and so was a pleasanter place to play in.
And all those dull, grey, blockish, ugly buildings! Ugh!
Morrowind was always foggy, and in Oblivion it rainstorms a lot. In fact, each area of the Imperial City seems to have it's own micro-climate: it can be thunder and lightning in one area, bright sun in another, dull in another...

Everybody has there opinion.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:30 am

Siberys wrote: Plausibility and realism are two different things, magic wouldn't happen normally either but it does in oblivion.

LOL! That's true! :laugh: But it seems to have some sort of logic behind it, even if it is fantasy logic. The Alchemy system doesn't, imo.
Not that it matters, of course.

I wasn't criticising your viewpoint, just offering my own.

Siberys wrote:Everybody has there opinion.

Indeed!

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:37 am

Fljotsdale wrote:As for eye-candy - yeah, Oblivion has a lot of it. But I MUCH prefer it to the dull grey scenery of Morrowind! Or the White scenery of Bloodmoon. Tribunal had a bit more colour, and so was a pleasanter place to play in.

Just FYI, but there's a mod-in-progress (currently released, but still not finished) that removes even the distant fog you had in Morrowind with video turned all the way up. It doesn't slow things down at all, because it relies on video card memory, which was not used in MW by the developers. It uses the Morrowind Graphics Extender. You can check out a few shots here.

All of this comes down to a matter of opinion, of course. I think at least some of us were irritated as much if not more by the PR hyping of Oblivion as by the game itself. Some prefer Oblivion, and some don't; and that's just fine.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:31 pm

Looks good!

But, urgh... looking at those horrible buildings in Balmora again is NOT a nice experience, LOL!:laugh:

Rein · Post by **Rein** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:48 pm

Agree to disagree.

I can see now that this topic has some very close agreements and disagreements.

I agree a little with Oblivion and Morrowind being two different games in themselves, but I think that a lot of people were wanting Oblivion to be almost like an upgrade for Morrowind. That is, only fixing the things that should have been improved upon. Intead Bethesda change many aspects of the game including some that were well liked. I don't believe that ES IV is a bad game by any means, in fact it is probabily one of the best games out at this time. I think Morrowind captured many people's hearts and those people wanted to feel the same way for Oblivion.

Everything will come in time. There are mods still being made, and I think that people will find a way to cope with the dislikes of Oblivion (or any game really for that matter).

It is perfectly OK for people to have there own opinions.

With out them this world would be very boring.

Belthan · Post by **Belthan** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:31 am

Thanks a billion to Fljotsdale, Rein and the rest who recommended I check out Morrowind. Got Morrowind GOTY and love it. The main quest storyline is very intriguing and cool, and there's a ton of in-jokes in Oblivion that I didn't get until I got the backstory from Morrowind.

Ignoring graphics and gameplay factors based on hardware that was available at the time, there are some things I actually like better about Morrowind, like the crazy depth of the dialog options because there isn't voice acting for every single line of conversation, levitation, and the fact that leveling up is actually worthwhile.

Things that are different and take some getting used to but aren't necessarily better or worse: chance of magic/alchemy/enchanting/combat failure in Morrowind based on your skill level, Umbra's a dude, and learning about daedra and Tamriel's history from a non-Imperio-centric point of view.

Things I like better about Oblivion: journal is easier to use, fast travel, and NO CLIFF RACERS!@#! (I swear I will never complain about random wolves or minotaurs in the wilderness again).

Greg. · Post by **Greg.** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:39 am

Siberys wrote:In this game, even on the hard setting, you cannot die. Sure if you haven't ever played morrowind and Oblivion is your first experience, you could die in the normal settings, but if you played morrowind for a few years and got oblivion, it is WAY too easy as monsters level with you.

I'm gonna take you up on that.

The monsters level faster than you do. Try doing the siege of Kvatch at level 1.

sinbad71 · Post by **sinbad71** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:56 am

having played both morrowind and oblivion on both pc and xbox/360, i can say i thoroughly enjoyed both on both platforms. Playing oblivion on on 360 with wireless controller and on a 42" hdtv is much more comfortable than sitting at my pc desk with my titchy 19" monitor. Also the marker system in 360 is a god send,as much as i like to find places by myself, it can be a major pain in the rear. so from my pov it is a boon. plus the 360 version allows you to place markers of your own, never managed to find out how to od that on standard pc version.

My first experience of elder scrolls was daggerfall ,great game,liked the way that u could buy a horse and cart and just go back and forth from the dungeon and load up the cart! might even dig out my lowly pentium 200mmx to play it,now wonder if i can remember dos commands........

XArchAngelX · Post by **XArchAngelX** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:12 pm

ok i played oblivion when i was 10 and basically chated and killed every1(hey i was 10) but now im thinking about starting again but this time actualy playing. here comes the big question...
elder scrolls or morrowind >.>

Claudius · Post by **Claudius** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:00 pm

@Archangel: I think you mean oblivion vs. morrowind. Both are elder scrolls series games (I think there is four also daggerfell and something else)

Oblivion - sequel game like Rocky 2 to Rocky. Less heart and artistic design. Better appearing and better arcade feel (which are positives but note I also listed negatives)

Morrowind - I'm not an expert. It didn't look as pretty but I had a ball. The first time I played it I abused the game system by stealing and making potions and training and I kind of ruined the role playing. After stealing enough crap and exploiting the game mechanics I earned enough gold to train myself to where I thrashed the easy things in the game. But I only scratched the surface really.

I don't think it makes any difference which one you play. If you love morrowind too much you might hate oblivion because it is different and you might hate morrowind because its old.

Anarchy Nooblet · Post by **Anarchy Nooblet** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:36 am

Since we're all being brutally honest...

...Then I'll throw my opinion in the rink as well...I have quite a few, as we all seem to.

One of the things I LOVED about Morrowind was the terrain. The long paths through the mountains that seemed random and continued on for ever made it feel quite real. So many different roads and what not and running into a creature every 3o feet was just so much fun. In Oblivion they took that away, There is pretty much only one path that leads throughout the land and even in the woods I find it hard to run into monsters. However, Morrowind also caused me a great deal of stress finding places. I had literally spent over 6 HOURS trying to find a cave when the quest itself would of taken all but 5 minutes. The new Nav system they have in Oblivion saved me a lot of stress. The fast travel, although convenient, ruined the game. You got a horse, use it. In morrowind you had to go back and forth and back and forth, but eventually you were so relived and satisfied when it was finally done. Now as for the main quests...

The main quest in Morrowind had a great story line and it was long but worth it. You would get legendary items from all over the place and buffs from this and that and there were sooo many unique characters that you had to kill or either talk to it, it was just amazing. In oblivion you don't even get to save the day. You're not the real hero. Granted you did all the hard work and went to hell, laughed at death, and back just so the king could rise up and take the glory. My proof of this is just look a what everyone greets you after you beat the Main quest. "You were martins' friend weren't you?". People hail you as the champion but they don't know all the hell you faced to get the title. All they know is that you were there and helped somehow. In Morrowind, you killed the bad guy but not only that, you had to prepare for it. You had to go to the depths of hell to get the items you need to finally over come your opponent. People may not of known of what you had to do for it but at least you got something from it. In Oblivion it was, enter hell kill that, do this, and shut that and all ya got was a thank you and a pat on the head.

The only thing I personally think Oblivion has on Morrowind is the perk system, the graphics, horses, and houses. But everything else thats actually pure game Morrowind wins by a landslide, a huuuuge landslide.

Rein · Post by **Rein** » Sun May 25, 2008 11:01 pm

Belthan wrote:Thanks a billion to Fljotsdale, Rein and the rest who recommended I check out Morrowind. Got Morrowind GOTY and love it. The main quest storyline is very intriguing and cool, and there's a ton of in-jokes in Oblivion that I didn't get until I got the backstory from Morrowind.

Things I like better about Oblivion: journal is easier to use, fast travel, and NO CLIFF RACERS!@#! (I swear I will never complain about random wolves or minotaurs in the wilderness again).

:laugh: Here we are close to 2 years later and Belthan replies once more in this forum. You must have been busy playing Morrowind huh? Lol!

I'm back from deployment and the info you all gave me still helps. Maybe now I have enough money and time to buy and play Oblivion. Along with some other games.

CLAUDIUS wrote: Morrowind - I'm not an expert. It didn't look as pretty but I had a ball. The first time I played it I abused the game system by stealing and making potions and training and I kind of ruined the role playing. After stealing enough crap and exploiting the game mechanics I earned enough gold to train myself to where I thrashed the easy things in the game. But I only scratched the surface really.

Stealing and making potions I believe makes it so much more personal. Some people like to just go explore every inch of the map and finding those hidden sacks full of gold and items, or finding a sweet cave, killing everything inside, and claiming it there own (ME). I'm an enchanter and the only way beside training to get your skill up is to use the enchanted items, so thats what I did. I scrolled through all of my items and used them till they where drained. And others like to steal stuff and dig into thier knowledge of alchemy createing some of the most powerful potions ever! Lol! Don't feel bad about paying for training, they put that in the game for that reason. Plus it makes sense, IRL you can go out in the world and find something that interests you and then well DO IT. You will learn from your mistakes and it makes you wiser. Or you can go to somone that already has the experience and ask them to teach you.

Thanks again for the opinions

FireFox2000 · Post by **FireFox2000** » Mon May 26, 2008 3:17 pm

I'm a little late in the game but I feel I must mention that there is a mod or a few mods, I dunno, which remove the quest markers from game....The sheer number of mods is amazing in both games.